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Old 4th October 2016, 15:57
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Towed, I have a 205 1.4 as a daily driver. You're absolutely correct. Not fast per se, but on the twisting and falling 'A' and 'B' roads that make up my commute, very little comes close. It's not excess or illegal speed, it's not having to slow down for the corners!
Rare car now and a future classic for sure. Look after it!
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Paul, that 1929 Ford roadster from a Lotus 7 type?? wonderful is it a kit? do you have any info. on it? cheers Mike
As far as I know it isn't a kit, more a "one off' design.

It came up in this thread, but no one seems to have any detailed information on it.

http://www.rodsnsods.co.uk/forum/gar...r-based-152233

Although the link to the original Ebay advert gives some details.

Cheers, Paul.
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I'D SAY ITS A ONE OFF USING A 32 BODY ...Shame about the track width but not the worst looking 32 Roadster I have seen ...

I went down the single donor route a few years back , not the commonly used Scimitar which works surprisingly well , but the less commonly used Beetle !!




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Old 5th October 2016, 17:26
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Gary - That car popped up on Rods 'n' Sods the other day with a new owner.

http://www.rodsnsods.co.uk/forum/gar...oadster-464729

Sorry I meant to post the link when I first saw it, but completely forgot.

Cheers, Paul.
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Thanks for the link Paul ...thats interesting ....I sold it before I'd put too many miles on it and the new owner reported it was getting hot on longer runs ...I see the bootlid is louvred now ..that will have sorted that out ...

The engine is interesting in that car ...I got rid of the dynamo and cooling fan as they stuck through the bootlid ...replaced it with a 2cv alternator mounted at the bottom of the engine and an electric fan inside the fan shroud tinwork.
The carb was the next issue ...again too high and broke the boot line again ...twin carbs either side would have worked for that but I had a VERY limited budget on that one and I made a new manifold that put the carb in front of the engine instead of behind it ...a bit of trick exhaust work , a slightly deeper rolled pan than usual ..and it was all pretty much hidden ...

The Pickup resurfaced recently ...a friend of mine in France Jean Louis has bought it and loves it !! It was a great thing ...I had a really good Summer driving that around the Purbecks and the beach etc around here , probably 8 or 9 years ago now ...I know it was pre Sam , as Jennette and I were out in it fairly regular ...... I tried to market it as a kit but Hot Rodders and Beetle guys didn't embrace it ...
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As a side note ....The Black Roadster was plumbed up so you filled the fuel tank through the radiator cap !!
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As a side note ....The Black Roadster was plumbed up so you filled the fuel tank through the radiator cap !!
I love that idea.
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with today´s kitcar regulations there arent much loopholes in the law:

on 1st view, body conversions are the easiest and cheapest way for the builders and kit-supplier.

but here also the problem starts: you need a donor with an independant chassis. surplus, this car should not be too expensive.

unfortunately the car industry has stopped buildng cars with independant chassis long, long time ago. so all donor cars suitable for a body conversion are minium 30, more likely 40 and more years old. so itselves already collector cars.

we are talking here about?? hmmm ...triumph, maybe triumph...or a triumph?? hmmm, looks that there isnt much too choose?

but exactly those cars are becomming rarer, and more expensive.

if we are honest to ourselves ( talking to triumph specialists they also confirm it):
a herald chassis is very weak, prone to severe corrosion with a questionable rear-suspension layout.
the same triumph specialists confirm that spitfire´s are totally different cars and much better.

the problem here is: Herald cheap --> from this aspect, perfect donor. but not from chassis & suspension --> finally not a perfect donor...also prices for complete cars are rising too.

spitfire --> more expensive (prices rising) --> on 1st view not a perfect donor- from chassis & suspension much better than herald --> at the end of the day, thats the better choice.

but as you see, we are turning in a circle....a good spit cannot be bought for a few 100 quid...and a cheap herald is mostly a wreck.

building a 50ies style car with a good built quality and a perfect spit-chassis, incl. several technical improvements (uprated engine, T9 conversion, CV driveshafts, uprated suspension etc) will rise the total built price in a dimension where you already might be able to built, for example, a MEV RepliCar. Due to its MX5 base it does everything better, with its "modern" suspension & "modern", also reliable drivetrain.



at the end of the day...the problem here lays in lack of suitable donor cars for doing a body converion, instead building a new car, which has to pass IVA.
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... and the Replicar is a snip at a mere £7,200 for the kit, plus donor, plus trimming, plus IVA fees at £450, plus £90 for each retest when it fails, plus £235 road tax when it passes, etc, etc.

Should be fairly easy to get a basic one on the road for about fifteen thousand Pounds/Euros/US Dollars (whatever, they're all pretty much the same since ExBrit).

Based on his previous Sammio offerings, I don't think Gary's new model will cost even half that to build to a high standard, more like a third.

As for the suspension and handling, the old swing axle setup is much maligned and works perfectly well on a lightweight sports car. After all, if it was good enough for the Mercedes Gullwing...

Also, Phil J took his Herald Courier van based Spyder to a race track and his car was poo pooed by a chap with a Lotus Eleven replica with rose jointed independent suspension, etc, etc, etc. Phil trounced him on the track.

I agree that prices have risen for restored Triumph Heralds and Spitfires, but millions of them were sold and they're still cheap in comparison to just about anything else from the period.

I recently bought a solid, rust free 1968 Spitfire chassis for £35. Its body panels had dissolved into dust long ago and it would cost more to replace them than the restored car would be worth, so I don't feel guilty about using it as a donor for a kit car. I'm going to have it grit blasted and galvanised, and I'm pretty sure I'll rot away before it does.

You pays your money, you takes your choice.

http://www.mevltd.co.uk/kit-cars/mev-replicar/pricing
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Rochdale - Welcome to the forum.

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...a good spit cannot be bought for a few 100 quid...and a cheap herald is mostly a wreck...
There is one part of the "maths" that you appear to be missing, as you get to sell the parts you don't need.

I actually paid over the odds for a 1980 Spitfire 1500 unfinished project.



But the bits I needed were in great condition, including a rebuilt engine, poly bushes, new wheels & tyres, etc.
( Plus a brand new Moto-Lita steering wheel. )



By the time I sell the last few parts (in a box 'somewhere') everything in the photo above should have cost me less that £200.

Now some would argue it is a shame to break a decent car, but I actually helped to keep a number of other Spitfires on the road.

Anyway, just a thought, cheers, Paul.
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Based on his previous Sammio offerings, I don't think Gary's new model will cost even half that to build to a high standard, more like a third.
I agree that donor prices are rising ..but the Triumph offerings are still affordable when you look at the volume of components they bring to the project ...parts are still cheap and available and you retain a classic car status the MEV offerings cant achieve ..yet ...so they work for me !!

Often , the best route is to buy a 'wreck' and refurb it ...you know what you have then ...most MX5's will need a degree of refurb by now too ...

Avoiding IVA and retaining classic car status is priceless as far as I am concerned ...

My bodies with seperate bootlid , flip stle front and seperate doors will be in line with a Miglia body ...so should around the £1600-2000 mark ...depending on final spec.

So , very roughly speaking ... refurbed Herald or Vitesse ...£2000 , bodyshell £2000 ..wheels / tyres adaptors ...£500 ... sundry items , interior etc ..£1000 ... paint ...£1000...

Very loose calculation ..but we are still below the MEV start price ...
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As my username implies, I'm very much in the 'please don't break a sound car' camp, but accept that some Triumphs are more suited to becoming donors than being restored. Just stay away from Vitesses, alright?!
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Just stay away from Vitesses, alright?!
Nothing to see here, move along now folks...









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Long since noted.
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we are talking here about?? hmmm ...triumph, maybe triumph...or a triumph?? hmmm, looks that there isnt much too choose?
...Reliant Scimitar SE5/6......Lotus Elite/Éclat..... TVR's...... More modern pick up chassis' such as the Ford Ranger/Mazda B Series. All of these are chassised donors that have been re-bodied at the Tribute workshop.

How about one of these?:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LONDON-TAX...wAAOxyYANTYq5c
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Apologies for drifting slightly off topic…

But Chris's taxi link is a great excuse to highlight one of my favourite 'Rods 'n' Sods' builds.

Start will an London Taxi found in a scrap yard…



Remain the unmodified chassis for a DVLA "8 Points" build and no IVA.



Add/join two Jaguar straight engines to create a straight 12 and convert it to run on LPG!



Cut up a canoe to help shape the 'Boat Tail' rear end.



The front end is shaping up pretty well too.



This car project is still going, but if you liked Scottie22's XKSS build 'next door, you'll love this.

http://www.rodsnsods.co.uk/forum/garage/medusa-206057
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Oops, sorry I didn't realise the first photo was so HUGE!
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...you retain a classic car status the MEV offerings cant achieve ..yet ...so they work for me !!

Often , the best route is to buy a 'wreck' and refurb it ...you know what you have then ...most MX5's will need a degree of refurb by now too ...

Avoiding IVA and retaining classic car status is priceless as far as I am concerned ...
Avoiding IVA and retaining Classic car status? Under UK legislation the MEV Replicar has to be registered as a 'new' car, just like any other vehicle built up on a new* or modified chassis, so subject to the compulsory IVA test.

*The rules allow for a new replacement chassis exactly like the original to be used and the car won't need IVA and will still retain its full classic status.

As the MEV uses the major components, engine, gearbox, axles, steering etc, from a donor car, it can be allocated an age related number plate on registration.

That number plate will be linked to the year of manufacture of the donor though, so reflective plates and 1989 'G' prefix to '05' current style for a mk1, 2 or 2.5 MX5.

You'll also be paying a minimum of £235 per year road tax until at least the year 2029, so that's another £2,820 ownership cost to factor in for the oldest MX5 donor even if the Government never puts the price of road tax up (they wouldn't do that, would they?)

Just something else to think about when you're paying a lot of money for a classic replica that doesn't seem to be mentioned on kit manufacturer's sites that use a new or modified chassis as a base, I'm thinking MEV, Chesil, Caterham etc. THAT ALLOCATED NUMBER CANNOT BE TRANSFERRED, YOU'RE STUCK WITH IT.

Manufacturers that use historic vehicle drivetrains, typically old Jag engines like Suffolk Sports Cars and AS Motorsport, are able to have a suitable historic registration allocated as the donor engine will qualify it, and your basic plod isn't going to notice that it shouldn't be wearing black plates unless they're a very anally retentive traffic cop (there are quite a few of those though).

But again, that plate can't be transferred so you couldn't, for example, pay a million pounds for the registration 'DBR 1' and then transfer it to your (admittedly lovely) AS Motorsports replica -

http://www.asmotorsport.co.uk/index.html

MX5 donors? I had a mk1 MX5 1.8 when it was seven years old. It broke down a lot and was difficult to fix. It was also very skittish in the dry and downright dangerous in the wet as it had far more power than grip.

The motoring press loved them because they spend most of their time going sideways on race tracks, which is exciting.

Unintentionally going sideways on the A17 in winter when there's a truck coming the other way is also exciting, but in the same way that being shot at is exciting. From experience, that is the sort of exciting that only kicks in if you survive. I sold it because it was too exciting.

I'll be sticking with old Triumphs for my donors. Guess I'll just have to put up with the transferable historic registrations, legitimate use of black and white plates, £29.99 annual MOT fee, zero charge historic road tax, huge availability of spares, etc, etc, etc...
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That Boat tailed Special is awesome Paul ...
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