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Old 14th February 2014, 07:32
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Hi guys,
I really like this site and the projects you are doing here, many fantastic builds and hundreds of ideas and different ways to build your dreamcar..!

Now it's time to introduce myself and show my project:

I live in Germany in Hamburg, and I have built two kitcars already, a Countach with spaceframe and Renault Alpine A310 suspension and engine and a Renault Alpine A110 speedster based on a shortened beetle chassis.





I sold both cars 2 years ago, and played around with Porsche 996, which never made me happy, so I sold this car too.

A polish guy here in Hamburg offers GT40 kits made in Poland for a competitive price, so I decided last year to drive to Poland to have a look. I saw a frame, and some bodyparts in quite a good quality, but I did not see a finished car or a complete body. Nevertheless I bought a "rolling chassis" with body to be delivered in october, and than the story began...

Anyway, I don't wanna tell to much about what has all happened, I picked the things up in Poland in october, and brought the stuff home.


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Old 14th February 2014, 07:51
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The first idea was to build a GT40 roadster with open roof and a speedster style windscreen, but the more I looked at the car, the less I was happy with its proportions compared to the real thing.
The front was too short and hanging down, the rear was also hanging down and had strange lines, so one day I decided if I have to change so many things to make it look right, and can build something different and much nicer out of it...
The curved front fenders reminded me to the Ferraris from the mid-sixties, the Dino and the P3/P4...
A P4 kit already exists, so I decided to go for the much rarer Dino 206, and started comparing the proportions:



not so much of a difference, but the wheeelbase from the GT is different to the Dino, the Dino 206 is a very small car with 13" wheels, and I (over 6ft tall) will never fit in there...
With the longer wheelbase from the GT it will be a 105% scaled up Dino, which makes it bigger and wider and I do fit in there...
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Old 14th February 2014, 07:55
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So I decided to hacksaw the GT and build my alltime favourite dreamcar out of it...a big challenge, but at the end I will have a rare car with unique background, as far as I know there are only 18 Dino 206 built and a handfull metalbody reproductions...

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Old 14th February 2014, 07:57
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The original design was done by pininfarina






...but to get it race ready, Ferrari gave the job to Piero Drogo with his Carozzeria Sportscars in Modena, and he got it spot on!!




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Old 14th February 2014, 08:02
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It was equipped with a 2000ccm V6 doing more than 220hp, and that was 1965!
The car was really competive with its size and a weight of about 1100lbs by 220hp, and has won several races and hillclimbs...




the interior was simple and race-oriented, which makes it simple to copy





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Old 14th February 2014, 08:05
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The hacksawing process, I do not comment it, just have a look at the pics and if you have any questions please ask...







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Old 18th February 2014, 18:55
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Subscribed for deffo

Can't wait to see the progress and finished article, roll on the next show
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Old 18th February 2014, 19:32
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Thanks guys,
I am actually planning to take the mould out of it before it will be painted.
My dream is to build it out of 100% metal one day, I am already buying hammering and metalforming tools!
Will keep you updated, promised!
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Love the metal shaping, great skill.

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... My dream is to build it out of 100% metal one day...
Any idea what % of metal / fibreglass you will have in this current version of the car?

Good luck, Paul.
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Old 20th February 2014, 18:35
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Any idea what % of metal / fibreglass you will have in this current version of the car?

Good luck, Paul.
Don't know, may be 50:50, the sills can easily be replaced with metal ones if I want, I will try some fenders too and decide if I keep the fiberglass...it depends how the metal ones turn out!

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Loving this thread, great vision and craftwork going on. Keep up the excellent work.

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Old 18th February 2014, 20:52
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That's great news to hear. Please post lots of photos.
Are you keeping a list of all the parts that you are using to do this build?
Might be very useful if you make a mould and want to sell some.
Looking forward to your next post.
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Old 20th February 2014, 08:22
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Hi guys,
some updates, my planishing hammer arrived yesterday, and I did some testparts like a cover for the b-pillar inside, and the hoods for the bonnet.
It is amazing, when you start hammeringyou think "ok, this will be in the bin in a minute...", but when you keep hammering and smoothing it really turns out! The hammer is a china-thing, I paid about 120$ for it, but for that price it is really cool!












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Old 20th February 2014, 08:26
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And I did the framework for the rear end, easy to weld it flat, but then it was really difficult to get the curvature in the topview...
Still mounted too high at the moment, but for the first try it turned out to be quite good!













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Morning Axel, do you already know how to use the metal shaping equipment?
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Old 26th February 2014, 08:23
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Hi Gary

well, I saw some vids at youtube, and got some advices at allmetalshaping.com, and the rest is learning by doing at the moment with quite acceptable results...
There is a facility offering some courses in our town, I might do a course just for watching how the experts are doing it!
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Old 1st March 2014, 18:44
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Hi Axel, congratulations on undertaking such a fantastic project. I admire anyone willing to take on new skills with metal shaping. The 206sp has always been a favourite of mine and the Italian V6 is it's heart. I agree with other posters here that the Alfa v6 is the best money for passion option. I once posted a link to a photo of such an engine in someone's Ferrari P4 replica:

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/5...yaugusthw9.jpg

So you can see it can be fitted in your chassis with an adapter plate. Other gearboxes besides the Renault include the Porsche Boxster/Audi which is cheaper than a 911 box and better suited.

Many years ago I visited the guys in Invercargill New Zealand who were making a few exact replicas of the 206sp. They had a chassis or two and the aluminium panels - which I photographed. A guy in Queenstown had expertly made the body from scratch over a wooden buck in the original way. Here is a link to some more info on it:

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/acalvert/205.html

And there were some youtube videos of it in action, if I can find them. They offered to buy my Fiat Dino 2 litre motor, which is the road- going version of the engine used in the sports racing version. Costs for these engines are easily ten times the Alfa v6 though. So unless you want ultra precise replication why would you bother? And you have a 105% body size so I see that is not the path you wish to follow.

I see on the German gt40 site people are suggesting all sorts of engines/gearboxes. The Fiat 130 v6 of 3.2 litres is a good engine but it is old, low powered by today's standards and only loosely connected to the Dino ( it was developed by the team that had reworked the Dino, in conjunction with Ferrari, for road-going reliability, including Lampredi - one of the all-time great ferrari engine designers, now working at Fiat). The Mazda KLZE is indeed great but front drive only ( see clairetoo's posts on locostbuilder uk website for adapter plate and info). The three litre mazda v6 is a totally different old lump of a design. Of course a Porsche Boxster engine/box would be great and easy, as would a Subaru flat4. But no Italian-ness!
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih4TQwCsq9w

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpfrhqZbMbc

A couple of clips of the NZ replica owned by the Chapman family in Christchurch
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Old 2nd March 2014, 15:10
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Thanks Ross!

This is very interesting Information you gave me!
I also think alfa V6 will be the best choice!
Very interesting pic with the P4 Alfa/Porsche drivetrain! Thick adaptor plate!
I guess because of the hydraulic clutch conversion, which sits on the center drive shaft.
And many thanks for the links, great vids of a nice reproduction.
I have heard he has sold the car and I think it is/was for sale again, but I am not sure if it is the same car...
Let's see how mine will turn out, wish I would have more time at the moment...

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Old 6th March 2014, 07:40
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Little update:

I installed the steering column and steering wheel, helps a lot moving the car in-and-out of the shop.
And I tested my new english wheel with some panels for the bonnet.

Huuuh...it's not like you buy that tool and you can do all kinds of double-curved panels immediately...there is a lot to learn, but it is amazing how easily it domes!
Sometimes it domes so fast, that you soon realize it is already too much curvature, and then there is almost no way back...! I ended up in cutting that panel and made an extra part for it!





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