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Old 23rd September 2017, 11:27
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Isn't there a rolling date for these number plates now? sure I read about it somewhere. I have a 1973 Stag ( as well as the Sammio) and was considering changing from yellow.
Also I read a rolling 40 year age limit for MOT tests if it's a Vehicle of Historic Interest which it seems the Sammio is not...
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Tax exemption and black'n'white plates are now on rolling 40 year qualification*, MOT isn't (apart from in Eire, I believe). Pre 1960 is the cut-off for MOT exemption, but I think I'd still want an annual safety inspection conducted by an impartial third party motor mechanic anyway if I had a pre '60 classic.

*see pages 10 & 11 on the link below.

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Old 23rd September 2017, 12:22
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Part of the wording of the proposal to introduce rolling 40 year MOT exemption states that it doesn't apply to cars that have been modified to no longer resemble the original and also a power to weight increase of 15% or more ...the lighter and alternative body means S*mmio's and the like will not gain MOT exemption ..which really is not an issue for me ..who doesnt want their car checked annually for £40 ?

We still fall into the 8 point system , so no issues with that. Cars will still be re-registered as they are now and not subject to an IVA.

The guys who may have more of an issue are my Hot Rod buddies with modified running gear / chassis changes etc... It's been a growing issue for years and every few years or so , DVLA squeeze the hobby .... its an overlooked situation more often than not , but with owners having to tick a modified or not box when re-taxing and MOT stations potentially being prosecuted or penalized if they choose to ignore it ...things could be changing for any unaccepted modified cars built after 1988 .....If anyone is caught out not declaring their cars and claiming MOT exemption , they will be sent to an IVA test ...if you declare it as modified , you can bet your bottom dollar , you will be asked to explain mods ...as I said before , S*mmio-esque builds will be deemed as acceptable and not given MOT exemption , but not put forward for IVA either ...but if you fall into certain categories , I suspect SCS or a similar body will be inspecting the vehicle and some of those will be put forward for IVA...

It's one way of filtering out the awful Rat style rubbish thats been nailed together in recent years , but at the expense of some very well built cars ...

The stupid thing about this ruling is ..if you have , for example , a split screen Minor , you put a later Minor engine in it or a twin carbed MG engine or something ...that mod alone will lose your right to MOT exemption ...if you improve the brakes , suspension and steering to make the car handle better using later BMC parts ...you could be heading for IVA in your very stock looking and upgraded old Minor ....now that's not fair ...
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Old 23rd September 2017, 13:38
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I don't want to have to pay for an MOT every year, my old Jag averages about 500 miles a year and hasn't had a failure in years.
I haven't heard about a rolling date for black and silver plates, as I understand it, it is still pre 1975.
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i don't want to have to pay for an mot every year, my old jag averages about 500 miles a year and hasn't had a failure in years.
I haven't heard about a rolling date for black and silver plates, as i understand it, it is still pre 1975.
1973?
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Phaeton - you are a total ****
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Old 23rd September 2017, 18:33
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I thought it was 1973 but came across a DVLA page that said it had been changed to 1975 in 2015.

Come on Smash, stop beating around the bush, say what you really mean!
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DVLA issued an INF sheet that stated black & silver plates could be used on historic class VED cars - unfortunately they did that before the C&U regs were changed (arse/elbow) but I don't think you'd be charged for that alone.

As for Phaeton, I'd love to have a constructive discussion about the UK laws surrounding the rebody of separate chassis vehicles - but you can't honestly expect that to happen with an aggressive opening statement like "It's an illegally registered car..." followed by "the vehicle is currently in an illegal state" they aren't "innocent questions" (they're not even questions), they're trolling - which no-one likes.
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Nothing to do with me despite some of the pictures looking, ahem, familiar -

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Triumph-S...sAAOSwvApaA~IJ

Would advise any potential buyer to hold off painting the body until it's fitted to the chassis and frame with your engine of choice installed. But, having the body pre-prep'd and primed will save you a lot of time, so long as it was done right in the first place.
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Nothing to do with me despite some of the pictures looking, ahem, familiar -

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Triumph-S...sAAOSwvApaA~IJ

Would advise any potential buyer to hold off painting the body until it's fitted to the chassis and frame with your engine of choice installed. But, having the body pre-prep'd and primed will save you a lot of time, so long as it was done right in the first place.
AGREED- I would go as far as to say , as attractive a proposition as it may sound to the potential buyer , having the car sprayed will be a total waste of time as it will DEFINITELY need painting again once it is built .....

The suggestion , as I see it , is the bodies just go straight on , few bolts , bit of fitting up and drive away ...we all know that's not how it works ...
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I know I'll get shot down in flames "you're a troll' etc. as I am daring to say something against one of your pals, but to me the advert is confusing. Does the V5C relate to the chassis being provided or for the original chassis?
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I know I'll get shot down in flames "you're a troll' etc. as I am daring to say something against one of your pals, but to me the advert is confusing. Does the V5C relate to the chassis being provided or for the original chassis?
Hi Phaeton, that's not a Troll type outrageous statement but a legitimate question. As I said at the outset, this ad is nothing to do with me and I don't know the seller.

Not sure how familiar you are with the Sammio rebody concept, but the V5 will be for the Triumph chassis. Once the Spyder body is bonded on, the builder makes an application to DVLA to change the identity to something that reflects the changes. I believe that is now done once you've MOT'd it in its new form, but I'm sure someone will be along shortly with a link to the current procedure (Paul?)

I'm a bit uncomfortable regarding the seller's use of images of 'my' Spyder (the silver one in case you weren't aware) as I no longer own the car and have a feeling that the new owner should have been asked first. I don't think it's worth trying to have them removed though as they're not copyrighted and I don't want to stir up a hornet's nest out of a molehill...
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Old 12th November 2017, 08:11
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I know I'll get shot down in flames "you're a troll' etc. as I am daring to say something against one of your pals, but to me the advert is confusing. Does the V5C relate to the chassis being provided or for the original chassis?
Ask the seller ...It doesn't say either way , but if a buyer has any concerns about that , they can be told which chassis has the V5 , if both haven't got id's and they can make the decision as to whether they choose to use the registered chassis or the unregistered one ...

I think the picture of a car that isn't actually a Sammio is more confusing !
I think that lead picture is a Morgan Special built in the U.S.

http://www.forgottenfiberglass.com/f...-sports-racer/
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I know I'll get shot down in flames "you're a troll' etc. as I am daring to say something against one of your pals, but to me the advert is confusing. Does the V5C relate to the chassis being provided or for the original chassis?
Why not go and ask the guy selling the bits no of us know him
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Why not go and ask the guy selling the bits no of us know him
So if you know him it's acceptable? If you don't it's not?
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You are asking the questions on THIS forum with THIS community of users. Once again you appear to be challenging the users on here about a case that apparently has nothing to do with any of us. You are not adding any value here.
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You are asking the questions on THIS forum with THIS community of users. Once again you appear to be challenging the users on here about a case that apparently has nothing to do with any of us. You are not adding any value here.
Is that not what I did last time? I had no comprehension that previously anyone knew the seller, it was a question about the validity of the documentation, as is this, last time you all jumped to the sellers defence, but it appears this time as you (collective you, not personal you) don't know the seller he is to be treat differently.

This whole issue has wide implications for the whole of the litcar industry, just look at Dutton's for instance, is it right that there are cars which did not exit the Dutton factory are running around with their V5C's claiming to be Dutton's & have not passed any IVA? I do understand this is not the same situation, but it is a very grey area which does the whole kitcar scene any good.

To Mr Towed if you have concerns about the images which are yours then I suggest contacting Ebay, but depending where they are currently available he maybe legally be able to use them, Copyright law is not my area & has some very strange exemptions.
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Is that not what I did last time?
No.

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..it was a question about the validity of the documentation…
No it is wasn’t, because you used the word ‘ringer’ which means as a stolen car with a changed identity.

Which means any point you were trying to make was lost by accusing someone of being a car thief without providing any evidence.

Which is why you stand accused of a being a Troll.

If you are not a Troll, why not take a step back and start afresh by explaining why you decided to join a kit car forum in the first place?
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The ebay seller looks, at face value, like a genuine business but does seem to be in the habit of 'borrowing' other peoples pictures as you will see in their web page here....

https://www.rbwsportsandclassics.com/current-stock.html

Based on that I would steer well clear.....

(for readers who don't know, both the Sammio's in the picture were built by well known members of this forum and to the best of my knowledge their cars have not passed through this dealers hand)

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No it is wasn’t, because you used the word ‘ringer’ which means as a stolen car with a changed identity.

Which means any point you were trying to make was lost by accusing someone of being a car thief without providing any evidence.
At no point did I accuse anyone of stealing, that is your interpretation, the word 'ringer' does not mean stolen, it's means a vehicle whose identify does not match the documentation. Although a vehicle that has been 'rung' could well be stolen, but it was clear in this instance it wasn't as you yourself put "Well, the good news is that just adding a stripe and some racing numbers increases a car's value by almost £2k" & that 'Micky' had sold it 2 weeks early on Ebay.

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If you are not a Troll, why not take a step back and start afresh by explaining why you decided to join a kit car forum in the first place?
Having been involved in kitcar's now for nearly 40 years (first purchase 1979) joining a kitcar forum seemed a logical thing to do, however why I should justify myself to you is beyond me, are you the owner of the site? In future please read what I write, not what you think I write.
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