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14th December 2015, 17:53
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Maybe Another New Sammio kit!!!
I recently saw this listed on E-Bay and as it was local I decided to have a closer look.
It's a Moss Monaco one of about 70 made before the factory burned down!!
It later turns out the guy didn't want to sell it but was moving house so it was "Hobson's choice".
I offered him an a better choice and after thinking about it overnight he just couldn't resist, so it's now in my workshop awaiting completion.
One of the conditions of the build was me being able to take a mould from the completed car.
If "adjusted" to fit the Spitfire chassis it might make an interesting addition the SAMMIO range although a large chunk of front Spitfire chassis needs to be removed for the body to fit, which might be a problem at DVLA HQ.
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14th December 2015, 18:34
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Micky1Mo - Sounds like a good arrangement for both sides.
Found a finished one on Google that matches the colour scheme I'm aiming for.
I've also copied this from the ACE website:
VOSA have provided the following response to your questions;
Chassis.
Q) What is classed as chassis? Is it purely the outer longitudinal rails or are the crossmembers between these also a part of the chassis?
A) Chassis should be taken to include crossmembers.
Q) We know that cutting or shortening a chassis is classed as modification but is this relative to the vehicle wheelbase i.e. the chassis must remain uncut between the 2 axles but anything forward of front or aft of rear suspension mounts can be removed?
A) Chassis includes the full original length of the longitudinal members including to the front of the front axle and to the rear of the rear axle.
Q) Is it acceptable to remove bodymounts, which contribute no strength to the chassis when changing a body to a different style /make?
A) Yes, providing they are additional to and are not an integral part of the chassis structure.
Could you argue that the bits you need to remove from the Spitfire chassis are "bodymounts"?
Either way, good luck, Paul.
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15th December 2015, 06:09
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15th December 2015, 07:49
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Hi, I'm the owner who did a deal with Mike to finish the car. It looks great already even unfinished and in a bit of a state. Paul, that color scheme is pretty close to where I intend to go as it just so happens that green and yellow were my last squadron colours (ex RAF). I'm thinking the green will be matte though but haven't seen many examples of such a finish in the real world. Anyone any views on what a matte finish would be like?
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15th December 2015, 08:10
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John - Welcome to the forum.
Mike has a good track record of getting project cars through their first MOT.
I think you might be able to get away with a Matte Green on that car.
Actually, I’d love to see someone add some “teeth” around the nose.
Just don’t get carried away.
Good luck, Paul.
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18th December 2015, 12:51
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Originally Posted by MightyNimrod
Hi, I'm the owner who did a deal with Mike to finish the car. It looks great already even unfinished and in a bit of a state. Paul, that color scheme is pretty close to where I intend to go as it just so happens that green and yellow were my last squadron colours (ex RAF). I'm thinking the green will be matte though but haven't seen many examples of such a finish in the real world. Anyone any views on what a matte finish would be like?
John
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Hi John, I take it as an ex CXX squadron member you will be adorning the finished car with loads of badges!?
Baz (ex 206 and 201)
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18th December 2015, 17:40
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Hi John, I take it as an ex CXX squadron member you will be adorning the finished car with loads of badges!?
Baz (ex 206 and 201)
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There's a lot of it about, I was doon the road at Lossie on 226 Jags in the early eighties. That's the nineteen eighties btw. Shared a pan with 8 Squadron Shackletons - eight screws are better than two blow jobs and a' that.
Moved on to F2 then F3 tonkas on 5 Squadron at Coningsby, taking over the Squadron colours from the Lightning boys at a parade at Binbrook (where some of the lineys managed to smuggle a dummy red top onto the bus back to Coninsgsby as a gizzit), before ending up on GR4a mud-movers on 13 and then 2 Squadron at Marham.
Oh, and for any non ex pan trash or growbags out there who don't understand the banter, try Google translate...
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19th December 2015, 08:39
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Oh, and for any non ex pan trash or growbags out there who don't understand the banter, try Google translate...
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I would'nt waste my time, can't read big words anyway
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25th December 2015, 20:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MightyNimrod
Hi, I'm the owner who did a deal with Mike to finish the car. It looks great already even unfinished and in a bit of a state. Paul, that color scheme is pretty close to where I intend to go as it just so happens that green and yellow were my last squadron colours (ex RAF). I'm thinking the green will be matte though but haven't seen many examples of such a finish in the real world. Anyone any views on what a matte finish would be like?
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I had a green Monaco for a while - never got round to sqn colours though (ex 201 / 120) - great to see another back on the road!
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1st January 2016, 11:26
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Happy new year to everyone.
Is there a website for the new sammio?
All I can find is the old Ribble one!!!!.
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1st January 2016, 17:07
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Happy new year to everyone.
Is there a website for the new sammio?
All I can find is the old Ribble one!!!!.
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Hi ufo17, Happy new year to you as well.
There is no web site yet for the NEW SAMMIO as it's still in the R&D stage.
That said we are trying and hoping to get the prototype ready for Stoneleigh Kit Car Show in May 2016.
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15th December 2015, 16:33
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Hi John, sure I've seen matte green with a yellow nose band somewhere before.
Oh yes, that's right -
Try Deep Bronze Green (BS 224) and Golden Yellow (BS 356) for best effect.
Painted like that I'm sure it'll be a blast...
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15th December 2015, 20:01
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Haha, very funny thanks for the ideas Mike is really keen I put some sharks teeth on as well - maybe we'll try that later
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16th December 2015, 12:39
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Have you got any plans Mike to possibly fit this body on a 2CV chassis? The wheelbase is probably better suited to this body since it was originally designed for a Herald or bespoke ford based chassis with the same wheelbase. The Spitfire chassis might be a bit short as well as the other issues with the front bonnet supports sticking out, and no attachment for the rear suspension struts.
There seems to be a lot of space for all the engines you could fit on the 2CV, e.g. Moto Guzzi, BMW R Series. You could also position the seat and steering wheel centrally with no prop shaft tunnel and create a single seater or a tandem arrangement. Your single rear wheel fabrication, for your other three wheeler Leighton design, might fit under the rear body as well to create an other possible option.
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17th December 2015, 16:34
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Have you got any plans Mike to possibly fit this body on a 2CV chassis? The wheelbase is probably better suited to this body since it was originally designed for a Herald or bespoke ford based chassis with the same wheelbase. .
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I have thought this might suit a 2CV chassis and running gear but only as a 4 wheeler
The magic thing about these single skinned body is with a little effort it's possible to make them fit anything on wheels.
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17th December 2015, 17:01
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The owner MightyNimrod was in today for a "fitting" as there's not a lot of room around the bulkhead and pedals.
I went for a floor mounted pedal arrangement, nice well built assembly for £90 from E-Bay.
When everything is in pace he'll need another "fitting" just to make sure it's right.
Question; Can you fit a well built guy (he's not called MightyNimrod for nothing)) into a space designed for a Mongolian Midget?
Answer; Watch this space as were all going to find out soon.
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6th January 2016, 21:09
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I was expecting to see a Herald chassis when you removed the body. Are you planning to put it through IVA..........
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6th January 2016, 21:34
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Micky1Mo - I'm certainly no expert, but if it was me, I'd make a copy of the Herald based body shell...
Then slice that copy straight down the middle, from nose to tail!
Once either side of the body work at least covered the main frame rails the gap between the two halves could be "bridged".
This should also give you more room in the footwells for the pedals & cover more of the front suspension too.
You would still be left with the overall look of a racing car body, but with a lot less of the hassle.
But what do I know?
Good luck, Paul.
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7th January 2016, 08:52
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Oxford 13/60 The existing chassis/engine are unknown so if used an IVA would be needed.
We are using a Triumph Spitfire chassis, engine and running gear to get around this as it then becomes a body swap SAMMIO style.
Fortunately the owner has the original receipts for the body which relates to a Triumph based kit which should help when dealing with DVLA.
Paul L Cutting the body would improve things and involve a lot of work but part of the Monaco's charm is the "cigar tube" shape.
That said the front end will need a little cutting.
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7th January 2016, 11:28
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... part of the Monaco's charm is the "cigar tube" shape...
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My theory is that you would still keep keep the cigar shape, just supersize it a bit.
Mind you, I know even less about cigars.
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