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garyh 30th November 2013 12:15

me too...

Viatron 30th November 2013 17:30

Good day today got the other chassis mounted floor support installed and both rear floors in, also got the prop shaft fitted and the tunnel stripped ready for painted / bed lining.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-q.../IMG_01043.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-z.../IMG_01049.jpg

As you can see we prepped the floors on both sides for the bed lining as its easier to do them before fixing.
More of my lovely orange rivets again! Shame they will be covered in bed liner next week :-(

The day finished on a bit of a downer as we had hoped to get the steering column in but I'm just not happy with the angle the wheel ends up at using the stock parts so am off to Des Shelley shafts again on Monday to pick up some weld on U/J's and have just ordered a 5/8" Rose Joint from Mcgill Motorsport and plan to copy the system we have on the race car which is simple but has worked well for many years. This should allow me to have the steering column exactly parallel with the centreline of the car.
Also tried the pedal box and despite hoping i wouldn't have to I'm going to have to tig up an alloy box for it to sit up against as the angle at the bottom of the firewall just wont work, not a big deal but just one more modification.....am i being too fussy?........

TTFN

Mac

Mister Towed 30th November 2013 19:21

No such thing as too fussy on these cars. 'Bit like the subway tag line- have it your way. :peace:

Viatron 2nd December 2013 11:06

Finished trimming the tunnel this morning and gave it a final clean off, quick coat of primer and its hanging up to dray. Just about to start prepping the floors for the bed lining so more updates later today fingers crossed.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-E.../IMG_01050.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Q.../IMG_01051.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-w.../IMG_01052.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-I.../IMG_01053.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-B.../IMG_01055.jpg

TTFN
Mac

Viatron 2nd December 2013 12:04

Right so finished scuffing all the surfaces using 80 grit flap wheel then wiped down with acetone. Have masked it up to protect everything I don't want coated, a bit of overspray on the frame wont worry me as this will all be hidden but don't want it on the engine etc!
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-k.../IMG_01056.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-r.../IMG_01058.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-N.../IMG_01059.jpg

Just about to mix and apply the first coat, fingers crossed there is no going back now!!! GULP

TTFN

Mac

Mister Towed 2nd December 2013 12:21

Good luck :)

Viatron 2nd December 2013 12:30

First coat done but I'm going to keep you hanging!!!!

Mixing the Raptor Liner is as easy as adding the Hardner
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-y.../IMG_01060.jpg
Up to the swage line on the bottle
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-a.../IMG_01061.jpg

Only problem is that even with a torch I cant accurately see where this is! Luckily I have a selection of syringes for removing oil etc so cracked open a nice new fresh one.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-t.../IMG_01062.jpg

Reading the instructions filling to the swage line is equal to 250 ML so as the syringe, handily, is a 100ML one just added 2 1/2 and then walked around for the span of a fag shacking it to death to make sure it was fully mixed, the instructions say 2 minutes but it must have been 4 or 5 I reckon.
TTFN
Mac

Viatron 2nd December 2013 13:01

So here it is!
Played around on a piece of card for a minute or 2 and settled on 55psi with the volume knob on the gun set to around 50%. Best I found was spraying from approx 10", I got good coverage but also got the textured effect I have been craving!
And the result is:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-L.../IMG_01066.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-R.../IMG_01068.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-L.../IMG_01069.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-j.../IMG_01071.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-T.../IMG_01074.jpg


Have to say im very happy with the finish, its exactly what I wanted, black shiny and textured, going to do a second coat in about 30 minutes then de mask it and leave it overnight to cure.

:-)

Mac

Viatron 2nd December 2013 14:10

Just applied the second coat, upped the pressure to 60psi this time and think I hit the sweet spot as it went on even better than the first coat, I did notice though that I used more product, 3/4 bottle first time and the whole bottle this time. I have now de masked as all the reviews I have read say that if you don't the tape will be a pain to remove when its dry and might need cutting off!
I have also given the tunnel a second coat and a good coat underneath as well.
All in all im very happy so far but will reserve my final judgment till the morning when it will be dry enough to touch, its still very wet from the second coat and the first coat wasn't quite touch dry after the required hour between coats had elapsed.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-P.../IMG_01075.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-G.../IMG_01076.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-8.../IMG_01077.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-q.../IMG_01078.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-3.../IMG_01079.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-F.../IMG_01080.jpg

AndyP57 2nd December 2013 14:12

That's looking really good Mac. How did you get on cleaning the gun afterwards?

Viatron 2nd December 2013 14:15

No probs, just ran about a litre of gun cleaner (£10 for 5 litres) through it and it seams fine.

christinedmc 2nd December 2013 17:01

Hi Mac,

It sure looks nice and the stuff seems to be very durable. All in all a very nice build so far.

I'm looking for this kind of finish for my dashpanel (which I still have to make BTW)

Michiel

Paul L 2nd December 2013 17:04

Mac - Your build is really taking shape now & that bed liner stuff does look good. :cool:

Viatron 2nd December 2013 18:17

Thanks guys, im happy im making so much progress working on trimming the body tomorrow, hoping to have it in on by the weekend
Mac

Viatron 3rd December 2013 11:10

Well back in today and the bed liner has dried out nicely, its lost just a touch of its gloss but I think it actually looks better for it. It still needs a another day or so to fully cure but feels good and the texture is just what I was looking for. Was hoping to get the tunnel fitted but the spitfire handbrake that I had convinced myself I had has gone AWOL so just bought another off EBay....arse!
Just off to start trimming the body now so expect to be covered head to toe in white dust before days end, all good fun!
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-v.../IMG_01097.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-W.../IMG_01098.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-9.../IMG_01099.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-e.../IMG_01100.jpg

TTFN
Mac

garyh 3rd December 2013 11:45

looks very neat, are you having mats or carpet or is it on show? How do you bond your body to the sides of the floors?

Viatron 3rd December 2013 12:02

Gary, my initial though is to leave it bare to be honest. I will be mounting my body in a different way to the standard in that it will mostly be attached using Aluminium closing panels and a couple of T panels front and back details of which I hope to have posted later this week.

Thanks for the interest

Mac

cabbage 3rd December 2013 12:39

I mounted my body using alu closing panels and supports branching from the frame, keeps it very tidy but also quite rigid. :-)

it looks really good so far :-)

garyh 3rd December 2013 13:14

Cabbage, do you have photos?

cabbage 3rd December 2013 13:24

A link to my thread is below, and you can see in a few places where the joints are made, however i could do some close ups for you if you want along with a list of where i make the supports. :-)

http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/foru...ead.php?t=4271

Viatron 4th December 2013 12:57

My new fuel sender arrived last night, got it off an EBay seller as most of the usual sources wanted extra for the seal and locking ring, 5 minutes to fit and job done :-)
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1.../IMG_01101.jpg

Finally finished trimming the body and humps, am covered head to toe in white dust which is very pleasant....not! Memories of the Ribble Navigator buck episode flooded my memory....shudderrrrr.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-e.../IMG_01104.jpg

The cockpit perimeter is now approx. 2" which should be plenty to join the interior Ali panels to but its also enough to maintain rigidity in the body whilst I'm moving it about.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-5.../IMG_01105.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-R.../IMG_01106.jpg

I have trimmed the dash area to get rid of the sharp edges and reduce its bulk a bit but have stopped there as I haven't currently decided on the exact shape I want.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-T.../IMG_01107.jpg

I have trimmed the wheel arch returns to approx. 1" which again keeps plenty of rigidity in the shell whilst getting rid of the sharp edges, I may trim back more but will decide once the body has been trial fitted again.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Y.../IMG_01108.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-2.../IMG_01109.jpg

TTFN
Mac

christinedmc 4th December 2013 13:04

Hey Mac,

Looks great. Seems to me we are working at the same things these days, I like the shape of the doors. When are planning to cut them out?

Regards,

Michiel

Viatron 4th December 2013 13:10

Michiel,
When I get the courage!!! Im going to get the body on first and get it all rigid then will build op the inner doors in foam with the captive plate for the hinges and locks then I will take a deep breath and go for it!
Mac

Viatron 4th December 2013 20:46

So first real try at fitting the body, wanted to use the small lip i left at the bottom of the sill to rivet and bond to the frame so plonked it on and used a couple of Clecos to fix it in place, managed to get the wheel centres about 14.5" from the front lip of the rear arch.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-7.../IMG_01113.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-J.../IMG_01114.jpg

But it was just a bit too high at the front
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-F.../IMG_01117.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/--.../IMG_01118.jpg

Ended up dropping it down so the front firewall is as close as possible which means i will have to go for plan b which involves an ali stepped panel for the side sill mounts.

The tyres clear.....just!

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-k.../IMG_01120.jpg

Had to remove the return lip off my gearbox cover to get it to fit and also had to enlarge the gear lever aperture as well.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Q.../IMG_01121.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7.../IMG_01123.jpg

I then started on making my rear body support, got it all marked out and am popping into a mates place in the am with it for him to plasma cut as cutting 3mm Ali with a disc is a testicle ache

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-b.../IMG_01124.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-r.../IMG_01125.jpg

You cant see it from this angle but there is about a 4mm difference from the height of the centre to the height at the ends.

Got to actually do some work tomorrow so not in the workshop until Friday now :-(

TTFN

Mac

Viatron 4th December 2013 20:49

Oh forgot, just before i left i started to make good the repositioning of the rear offside corner:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-O.../IMG_01127.jpg

And how i left it, body actually inside the workshop now for the first time.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-t.../IMG_01126.jpg

Mac

Paul L 4th December 2013 21:20

Mac - Seeing the body on the frame must be a really bonus. :cool:

You have put lots of hard work into getting it to this stage and it is looking very good.

No pressure, but, as far as I know, we are still waiting for the first Cordite/Navigator to be on the road.

"It could be you."

:icon_wink:

Good luck, Paul. :)

christinedmc 5th December 2013 06:07

Wow Mac,

You are going very fast now making big steps. Looking at your foto's it comes to my mind that your craftmanshift is a good match with the navigator body that looks like it has evolved to a pretty high standard. It all looks pretty need.
Indeed, cutting the 3mm ally is a little hastle. I have these thin discs. However, I use 1 disc totally for about 1,5m of cutting. Bending it (larger lenghts) is a real bitch though).

Michiel

Viatron 5th December 2013 07:40

Yep i also have 1mm discs but they just disappear when used on Ali. Luckily the mate I'm taking it to for cutting runs a specialist Ali and Stainless fabrication business so bends thick stuff for me.
Mac

Mister Towed 5th December 2013 07:41

Love this Bond car feature - is the plan to have it rise up as a bullet deflector when the bad guys start shooting at you? And will it pi$$ loads of oil on the road to make them skid too? (mine already does that :sick: )

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/...ps986d5b20.jpg

Viatron 5th December 2013 07:45

If it does develop an oil dispensing system my engine builder is going to get a visit!
Ill add the rear bullet deflector to the list of mods, can i quote your approval when i get stopped? :-)

Mac

Mister Towed 5th December 2013 07:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viatron (Post 49411)
If it does develop an oil dispensing system my engine builder is going to get a visit!
Ill add the rear bullet deflector to the list of mods, can i quote your approval when i get stopped? :-)

Mac

You won't get stopped Mac, you won't be able to see the blue lights.

Viatron 6th December 2013 12:15

Well my initial plan to rivet direct to the frame is dead and buried as it means I have to raise the body too much. Think I'm going to extend the frame down using an Ali strip but whilst I think about it I have been working on making good the tweak on the rear of the body.

The Bridging filler had gone off so first job was to knock it right back:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-n.../IMG_01128.jpg

I then prepped the part I hadn't touched yet, some of the fibreglass had sagged through so when I knocked it back level I had a hole, no worries though I have filled from the front and before I sand it back I will also put some on the back of the hole.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-e.../IMG_01129.jpg

Close up of the area I cut around he rear wheel hump, now looks much better already

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-v.../IMG_01130.jpg

Not my neatest filler job but it will just need a bit of hard work to knock it back once it has cured:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-H.../IMG_01131.jpg

I have also applied what I hope is the final bridging filler to the top section I sanded back earlier, very happy with how it went on:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-t.../IMG_01133.jpg

How did you get such a good finish I hear you ask? My secret weapon is a flexible bowl scraper I have had in my tool box for yonks, its genius at applying filler into curved areas and being so flexible all you have to do to clean it is flex it and the filler just cracks off, think I got this one from Lakeland:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-f.../IMG_01132.jpg

Also received my 9/16" 36 spline shaft from Rally Design that I'm planning to use to sort out the steering, turns out that the spline size and count used by Triumph is the same as that used on Escort Mk2's. I also have a couple of steering joints that should arrive Monday.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-x.../IMG_01134.jpg

Before I started the bodywork I fitted the fuel stub with union I got off EBay for the tank outlet but now its fitted its really too long and the hose will foul the handbrake relay lever.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-r.../IMG_01136.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-2.../IMG_01137.jpg

The part I bought is described as an "8mm hose tail for CAV296 fuel filter" and looks like this:

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/8MM-HOSE-TAIL...kJQ~~60_12.JPG

After a bit of hunting around I have just ordered one of these
http://i.ebayimg.com/t/1-2-BANJO-FOR...oVg~~60_12.JPG

Described on EBay as "1/2" BANJO FOR 5/16" - 8MM HOSE 1/2" UNF" hopefully this will allow me to bring the fuel line away from the tank parallel with the bottom of the tank which should keep it out of the way of the offending handbrake relay lever. Fingers crossed !

TTFN

Mac

garyh 6th December 2013 13:16

Nice cutting mat, V. How much was your sender unit? And what was wrong with shell?

Viatron 6th December 2013 18:28

Gary, cutting mat? do you mean the razor sharp gravel outside the workshop?
Sender was from here, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2212254600...84.m1439.l2649

Not a lot really but having been so intimate with it I'm more aware than most of the minor imperfections, once of which is that out of the mould you can see a bit more of the offside tyre than the nearside from the back so just split the body and moved the rear corner out a bit.

Viatron 7th December 2013 13:52

Replacement handbrake arrived yesterday so got it fitted up this morning along with the new handbrake gaiter I bought,

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-R.../IMG_01167.jpg

only trouble is:
1. the handbrake gaiter is too short but guess that because the carpet normally bridges the gap the handbrake sits in, no big issue an Ali panel will sort it out.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-N.../IMG_01169.jpg

2. Cant find the square nut that the handbrake cable goes into anyone got an old one lying around? at worst ill just tack weld a normal nut to the clevis.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Q.../IMG_01168.jpg

Stripped the steering column down and rubbed it down, the paint just fell off and I don't know what type of ali its made of but the description "Monkey Metal" comes to mind, I'm pretty sure that if I had sanded hard I could have gone right through it very easily!

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-V.../IMG_01170.jpg

Also pretty much finished the back corner repair now, skim of filler and a couple of coats of primer filler resulted in:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-F.../IMG_01165.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-D.../IMG_01166.jpg

A quick shot to remind you what I started with:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-A.../IMG_01111.jpg

TTFN

Mac

Viatron 7th December 2013 14:01

And finally before I pack up for the day first coat of black on the steering column. I'm pleased with the finish and it will get at least one more coat. Forgot to mention in my last post that I gave it 2 coats of etch primer to make sure I got a key into the Ali.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-h.../IMG_01171.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-w.../IMG_01172.jpg

I'm doing 3 days consultancy next week so no workshop time until at least Thursday :-(

TTFN

Mac

Paul L 7th December 2013 16:58

Really good progress there Mac. :cool:

I'll look for that nut you need tomorrow, I can't promise anything, but my donor came with lots of spare bits and pieces.

Also there was originally another piece of trim between the hand brake and the tunnel, hence your gap.

Cheers, Paul. :)

Viatron 8th December 2013 11:13

Cheers Paul, i can probably buy one but don't know what the thread size is and don't have an imperial thread gauge and when i went to get my digital vernier out the battery and spilt its guts so ordered a new one.

When i got home yesterday my seat had arrived
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-T.../IMG_01173.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-m.../IMG_01174.jpg

Both myself and SWMBO have tried it for size and as expected it will need widening a tad..... But I'm happy with the overall shape and the rear rake is less than anything i have tried so far so will hopefully allow the seat to got back a little bit more.

TTFN

Mac

Viatron 9th December 2013 17:14

Just thought I would post details of the Wiring Loom I have bought from Langys Rod Shop. Very good value at £139 for the 9+3 version available from here:

http://www.langysrodshop.co.uk/wiring_kits.htm

Looks well made, the wires a very beefy and are clearly marked every 6 inches so hopefully wont be too stressful.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-i.../IMG_01175.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-9.../IMG_01176.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-F.../IMG_01177.jpg

And comes with a pretty comprehensive installation manual as well.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Z.../IMG_01178.jpg


TTFN

Mac

ikon246 9th December 2013 17:49

the loom looks easy..........i have fitted a similer one in the past......i managed to get a herald loom new off ebay,will go with that for now......its a shame you had to cut the new bodyshell? are they all like that need cutting?
good job mac keep posting good to look
ikon


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